The Talk Radio Advantage

The Talk Radio Advantage

Are you annoyed by ads?

Most of us are, and that creates an interesting conundrum for businesses that need to invite potential customers to spend money with them via advertising.

In the early 1980’s when I was a top 40 rock and roll radio disc jockey on WMEE, I remember when we introduced “20 minute commercial free music sweeps” and even though I was all about the music and not really caring about advertising, this bothered me.

This was the beginning of conditioning our audience to perceive advertising as bad, as undesirable, as something to avoid.

Radio stations that played music would stop the music up to 4 times, maybe 6 times an hour to play a couple of commercials.  These commercial free music sweeps were to prevent listeners from changing stations when the ads played because the ads played less often.  The problem was that many stations still played the same number of commercials per hour but now instead of two in a row, they would play 4, 5 or 6 commercials back to back.  I recall about 15 years ago when a local music station promised to only stop the music once an hour.  I listened and counted 18 ads playing back to back to back for over 10 minutes.  Yes, they played 45 minutes of music back to back but all of those ads back to back created so much listener annoyance that people either switched stations when the ads came on, or they mentally tuned out.

Television suffered the same fate as ads became an irritant and people spent money on ad-skipping devices such as VCRs so we could record a show and play it back later and fast-forward past the ads.

What’s that have to do with Talk Radio?

Last month I was meeting with a new advertising partner and she was telling me why she believes Talk Radio is the best play for her ads.

To paraphrase what she told me, her perception is that when people are listening to Talk Radio, they are wanting to hear what is being talked about and they are more engaged than music radio.  When a commercial break comes on as she is listening to music radio, she’s no longer invested in that station because they are not playing music and whatever song they play after the ads, she may or may not like.  However when listening to Talk Radio, the conversation that she’s listening to will likely continue after the ads and she continues to be invested in that conversation.

There’s also the less annoying factor of ads on Talk Radio.

The theory is that I’m already listening to someone talk so when the talking on the commercial starts, I’m already accustom to talking on the radio.

I’ve got fresh radio rating data that I’ll share in a few weeks that show me the listening habits of listeners of all the 20+ local radio stations here in Fort Wayne, Indiana. This data doesn’t tell us the why behind the ratings, but combined with my personal antidotal research over the years and some other studies, we can understand the Talk Radio advantage for advertising.

By the way, I can help your business reach Talk Radio listeners now on three radio stations…

News Talk WOWO continues to be my primary station, and I also have Sports Talk radio, 1380 The Fan that is filled with live play by play and commentary for sports enthusiasts. There is also one more radio station that has a 4 hour talk show every morning, 98.9 The Bear, home of Jason Lee and Kluck in the morning until 10am.  The other 20 hours a day The Bear is a rock music station, but those morning drive hours are an excellent spot for your business to connect with Talk Radio listeners.

More in the future…

 

 

A story about a duck

A story about a duck

This Labor Day week, I’m sharing a recent Sound ADvice newsletter that my subscribers received recently about communication:

There’s an old story about a group of big-city folks who went on a bus tour to Henry’s Farm where they worked all day in the fields to experience rural life, firsthand.

At the end of the day, they assembled on Farmer Henry’s front porch, tired and hungry, waiting for the dinner bell.

As they sat on the porch, they could catch the aroma of some good, old home cooking coming from the country kitchen and grew even hungrier.

After some time, Farmer Henry came out of the barn, stepped up to the porch, and announced, “Well folks, the duck is ready to eat.” But Farmer Henry was puzzled by the group’s response.

Half of the tourists hurried into the farmhouse to wash up for dinner while the other half fell in line to follow him back to the barn.

What would you have done?

You see, when the farmer said, “The duck is ready to eat”, he thought his message was, “Hey folks, come on down to the barn, it’s time to feed the duck”, while half of his audience thought he was announcing it was time to eat the duck.

Many advertisers make the same mistake; not communicating what they really intended to communicate in their advertising.

Advertising is intended to get people to do one or both of two things: create awareness about your product or service, or get people to take action on what you are promoting.

Does your advertising communicate the message you think it does? An outsider’s objective review of your message can often help eliminate confusion in your message.

If you would like me to help you conduct an objective communications audit of your advertising message, click here.

Our goal is to gather detailed information about your business that will help create more compelling and focused ads that have a greater impact.

Lessons to Learn from Proctor & Gamble

Lessons to Learn from Proctor & Gamble

Today’s article  is going to break my usual self-imposed 10 minute rule. Nearly every article on my website and podcast episodes are under 10 minutes in length.  This one is longer because I want you to get all the information and understand why it’s valid.  We’ll start with the last part first.

In September 2023, I attended the Radio Sales Master Summit in Cincinnati, Ohio and got to attend multiple seminars and panel discussions and hang out with some of the guest speakers that weekend about a year ago.

One of the speakers was former Senior Media Analyst for Procter & Gamble John Fix who shared how he discovered the mistake that Proctor & Gamble made that was costing them tons of money and market share and then he fixed the problem.

John retired from P & G and created his own consultancy and has shared some of his tips and wisdom including something this summer that I’ll share in a moment.

John’s background is not advertising.  He’s an engineer and his role at Proctor and Gamble was an analyst.  He looked at numbers and data and using the science of engineering created hypothesizes and experiments to test how the validity of what he was doing.

From this article from RBR.com:

P&G noticed the trend of shrinking TV audiences in 2017. They started pumping more money into radio at the urging of media analyst John Fix. TV CPMs remain expensive due to demand – add an audience in decline and that higher cost is also considerably less effective.

Consumers have more choices on what to watch and how to watch it than ever before.  The mass media of network TV from decades ago has been shrinking to the point of actually having too many choices for companies like P&G.  There’s a term called CPM which refers to Cost Per Thousand that simply refers to the cost to reach a thousand people in reference to the cost of an ad.

Here’s some more facts and figures, originally published in March 2023:

Details of the P&G 2022 radio ad spend come as it was revealed that 18- to 49-year-olds are spending more time listening to the radio than watching linear TV for the first time ever.

It’s a cost-effective method for the company as the CPM to reach that same audience on TV is as high as $35-$65. YouTube CPMs range from $20-$25 and linear TV is in the $10-$15 range. Radio can be bought at a cost-per-thousand of $5-$6.

Those CPM figures are based on volume buying which for Proctor and Gamble is substantial. According to my sources, their total ad spend in 2022 was $2.2 Billion and radio recieved $235 million of that spend.

This increased investment in radio has only increased since 2022.  As reported in April 2024:

The consumer-packaged goods giant boosted its ad spend as a share of sales by … more than $360 million, Chief Financial Officer Andre Schulten said in a media briefing. The Cincinnati-based manufacturer is famous in marketing circles for conducting rigorous and sophisticated research and analytics to ensure its marketing dollars deliver maximum return on investment. Said Schulten, “We will not spend if there’s no ROI.”

So what can we learn and apply to our local businesses when it comes to making smart advertising and marketing decisions?  Here’s the latest from John Fix:

A long-held perception is that sight is needed to create product identity. The following is a framework that was used to talk about the role of media in different situations. It ties into how audio can work with a well-thought-out product.

Audio, specifically AM/FM radio, creates reach and brand awareness. This is important for new products as building awareness is key. A product cannot sell if consumers are not aware of it.

Brands are afraid that audio may not create awareness for new products because there is a belief that it is hard to talk about a product that consumers have not seen. The fear is that awareness may not translate to identifying the product at the point of sale (on the shelf) to make a purchase.

Incorporating audio in a media plan, especially a new product with a budget that does not include traditional mass reach media like linear TV, can be game changing. The next points elaborate on how awareness can work.

New product introduction and the role of audio

  • BRANDING: Say the brand early, often, and spell out the name. Audio best practices highly recommend strong branding and using the name of the band. The brand name would ideally be spelled as it sounds so that saying the brand easily translates to recognition of the brand as it would appear on the label. If the brand name uses non-traditional language or an acronym, spelling the brand would not be a bad idea. Think of all of the new brands with names like “Sploosh” or with names of foreign origin. Lyft, Tumblr, Krispy Kreme, etc. are brand names that may require an audio prompt like “Krispy Kreme, spelled with a ‘K.’” The phrase “spell it out” may be taken literally.
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  • BENEFIT: Lead with a recognizable benefit for the consumer. Products exist to serve a purpose. Advertising can be weak when the benefit is an indescribable aesthetic, which is why beauty brands used to stay away from audio. Advertisers believed that beauty relies on sight and motion. Beauty advertisers learned the way to describe the benefit of “silky hair,” “brilliant, white teeth,” and identifiable terms for curly hair. Laundry learned to use adjectives to describe “clean laundry.” Even scented products learned their way into describing scents (nature fresh) with audio. Brands should utilize their consumer research to find the clearest, simple description of the product benefit and use it in the audio. If a brand can articulate a benefit, then audio will work. If there isn’t a strong recognizable benefit to the consumer, then a brand will have to think very hard about the product and the right of the product to succeed. Natural products tend to be safe and environmentally friendly. If that is the point of differentiation in a category, it should be said. “Natural” all but speaks for itself. Elaborate with audio.
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  • PACKAGING: Tell the consumer what to look for on the shelf. Products ideally have a form similar to the category. Mouthwash is typically a clear bottle with a large cap. Laundry and dishwashing detergent used to be a box with powder. Then they became a bottle with liquid and now, a novel container with pods. If the new product is in a form unlike the category or if the product uses assets unlike those familiar to the brand, then the audio should describe what the consumer should look for: “found in the bright yellow bottle,” “the toothpaste not in a tube,” “dishwasher detergent in a pod.” This allows audio to tell the consumer what to look for on the shelf. This would help a consumer to identify the brand and find the product at the point of sale.
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  • DISTRIBUTION/SHELF: Be descriptive on where to find the product in its category. If a product delivers a tangible benefit, then finding the product shouldn’t be hard. Market structure determines that retailers place substitutable products near each other: cleaning products, auto, household goods. New products should be in outlets where the category is sold. A brand, especially a new innovation, should say which product category it is associated with if necessary: “Found where cleaning products are sold.” This is also where the description of the package can help: “Available at grocery stores in the orange bottle.”

Audio can help your brand become “easy to mind, easy to find”

This framework was very helpful to the advertiser of innovative products. The framework tied the brand name, the appearance, and the strengths of the product to the applicability of audio.

More can be said specific to the belief that “sight is necessary to convey a benefit.” Cosmetics and beauty have long held the idea that the aesthetic benefit requires a consumer to see the end result. A good media brief for an image or video ad would describe exactly what would be desired in a visual medium and that language should be compelling in audio.

Audio best practices stress the importance of branding and conveying the benefit of the product. This framework adds the importance of making the brand physically identifiable and shows that it is possible for audio to lead a consumer to the shelf to find the product that will deliver the job to be done.

John Fix can be reached at johnfixltd@gmail.com.

How do you apply this advice to your local company?  Contact me: Scott@ScLoHo.net

Boss or Manager?

Boss or Manager?

From a recent Sound ADvice newsletter my subscribers received this summer:

Are you a “Boss”?

 

As a verb, the Webster’s Dictionary says that to “boss” is, to order about in a domineering way. Poor customer service is often the result of interaction with people working for a boss who is not happy with their situation.

Or are you a “Manager’?

The same dictionary defines “manager” as, to handle or direct with a degree of skill. It even adds in, to treat with care.

The most successful managers today attempt to hire people who have a passion to do their jobs to the best of their ability…these people don’t need a boss. These employees need a manager who will give them access to the tools, training, people, resources, and environment that allows them to perform to the best of their ability.

 

If you’re a manager, here’s a challenge. Instead of giving your people a “to-do list”, try asking them to give you a “to-do list”. What do they need you to do to help them be more productive or deliver better customer service?

 

In our Top Ten Employee Happy-Makers, Happy-Maker #4 is, “360-Degree Feedback”…. asking your employees how YOU are doing.

 

Zig Ziglar said, “You can get whatever you want, as long as you are willing to help others get what they want. It’s also been said that you can be as successful as you want if you are willing to let others take the credit.” 

Taking an honest look at yourself to determine if you are a manager or a boss and then taking appropriate action will lead to a much more effective team.

Happy employees will deliver happy customers.

Happy-Maker #7 is “Creating Team Players”. Develop a team spirit where each player is dedicated to their teammates’ success. Any team is only as strong as its weakest player, and everyone should be encouraged to develop and help their fellow team members.

Click here to see a list of the Top Ten Employee Happy-Makers.
 
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Generational Changes and Media Use

Generational Changes and Media Use

Frequently I’ve pushed back against generational stereotypes with the simple premise that activities and behaviors that are being assigned and labeled according to what generation a person is, are really due to lifestyle and life-stage.

And while many of that is still true, there are some big swings in media consumption that still can be broken down by generation due to the technology changes the past couple of decades.

Even the past 10+ years that I’ve worked for WOWO radio have seen a shift that should not be ignored.

MarketingCharts.com released an article on social media use that actually has a misleading headline: Most US Weekly Facebook Users are Gen Xers and Baby Boomers.

However looking at the actual chart and data from YouGov, the headline should have been Most US Weekly Facebook Users are Millennials, Gen Xers and Baby Boomers.

Those three generations make up 84% of Facebook users in the United States.  The Silent Generation, which are those still alive born before the end of World War 2 make up 1% and the youngest Generation, Gen Z account for 13% of Facebook users.

Overall, Facebook still is king with more users than any of the other social media platforms but it appears YouTube is close although many of us “older folks” don’t consider YouTube to be social media.  But with the popularity of video content verus still photos or no graphics, YouTube should be included even though they were not listed in the survey and article

So I decided to do a double check on the current ages of Gen Z and as of right now, 12 to 27 year olds are Zers.

The youngest most marketers usually target is around 12, so Gen Z is a real, viable target market for companies that produce products and services for teens and young adults.

To put that in perspective, 10, 11 years ago when I joined WOWO radio, some of them were still in diapers and none were old enough to vote yet.

IF that’s the age group you want to reach, you should dig a little deeper into social media and the various platforms and targeting potential.

However, here’s a reality that is back to the lifestyle and life-stage argument….

Most significant purchases are not made during the teen years or even by 20 year olds.  Look at age 35+, or even older like 45 or age 50+.

Gen Z is inching to that age but for the next decade, unless your consumer is in their 20’s and younger, you need to really continue to focus on older adults.

I call them “grown-ups” . They’re in their late 30’s, 40’s and 50’s making significant purchases for themselves and for their families.

My primary radio station, WOWO is a news talk formated radio station and we’ve seen wonderful results for our advertising partners.  I’m not arrogant enough to say that traditional radio ads are all you need to do.  I usually offer a number of items off the menu of messaging options that include traditional AM/FM radio ads, streaming, emails, texting, and social media including Facebook.

Do you want help sorting all this out to help you decide where to invest your ad dollars?  Want to talk with someone who’s got the experience in crafting solutions that are appropriate for your business and that sometimes includes connecting you with others that I trust?  Let’s talk.  Email Scott@ScLoHo.net